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Dealing with Copy Cat, Plagiarizing Websites.

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You’ve worked many years on your website, learning, tweaking and shaking the bugs out of your marketing and SEO. You probably have hundreds if not thousands of hours invested in your work. Suddenly you see a competitor site that has been stagnant for months or years suddenly gets it in their fat head that it’s easier to steal good copy that to create it themselves, or they find you have a good position in the search engines  and they decide to steal fragments of your copy, your keywords and in the worst case your entire business model. Their goal? It’s simply a greedy attempt to steal what you have already developed.

We know exactly how you feel, we have competitors too. Some are courteous and respect others copyrights and trademarks and while toes may get stepped on from time to time a letter requesting the removal or modification of site copy might resolve the problem, or it might make it much worse.

Web site operators with overblown egos can take the request as an insult and begin an all out campaign to steal customers or have you dethroned from the serps. In most cases this attempt will result in the opposite. Duplicating another sites sales copy is tantamount to search engine suicide it will also make you look like the bad guy.

Some really desperate sites will attempt an all out copying of your business model, using identical file locations and every one of the third party scripts you employ. While there is nothing illegal about the use of the scripts by themselves, there is a problem when the intent is to arrange those scripts in an identical manner that you have used. Any court in the land will be able to see that the permutations of arranging identical scripts in an identical manner within the same business niche is not a coincidence, it’s malicious.
One sure sign of a guilty site is hiding their tracks by blocking archival robots or cloaking pages.

This is similar to an artist using the colors Red Green and Blue. Alone each color is harmless, but when you arrange the three in the exact same way as your competitor, isn’t that forgery? Web site forgery does not have to be exact in appearance, and while theme is important, it’s the function that is infringing.
This is a gray area of the law that will become more important as the web grows and the thieves make themselves known.

We know of one such thief, but the questions then becomes how to deal with them.
There are several approaches. First, you can get pissed off (which you will) then fly off the handle and send them a personally written cease & desist letter. This rarely works. You can try the nice approach, but that too rarely works. If the infringement would cause financial damages, then best approach is to find a local attorney who handles copyright or trade dress issues. Depending upon the degree of infringement, they might not want to set the hook right away. Sometimes it’s best to let the fish take as much line as possible to build a better case. Then when the infringer gets bolder, which they typically will, the hook is set. If the case is severe, the attorney will not only set the hook, but they’ll probably drop a few stick of dynamite in the water too.

Rightly so; copyright and trademark infringer’s are no different than thieves. It’s just that the IP bank is a lot easier to rob. A simple viewing of another sites source code can reveal a lot. Being dumb enough to use it against your competitor is, as they say, lower than “whale s**t”. Our advice to those who copy other sites is this: Think about what you are doing. Is it right? Did you come up with the idea 100% on your own? If not, you might want to spend some of that extra money you’re making off your competitors on good legal counsel.

Being that most site owners are located long distances apart, a jury trial is probably out of the question. Short of formal legal action, the best way to cripple a copy cat site is to file a DMCA take down complaint against them. Get your ducks in a row for this one and consult with an attorney before you file. If you are justified in making the claim, your competitor will be out of the internet business for a long time. Be warned, if you commit perjury by making a false claims or statements then expect legal action from a higher court.

If you’re not smart enough to read books or find your marketing or website concepts by researching sites outside your niche market and offer up something unique then your days as a successful internet business may be numbered.

For copy cat site operators plagiarism may become a catch 22. Once a site tries to copy something from another site it can become an endless Wild West battle to out do each other, creating more work overall work for the thief that if they’d gone in their own direction. They must remember their greed will bring out the best competition they’ll ever experience as legit IP owners defend their rightful creation. If all else fails, the defender may decide that “two can play at this game” and give the thief a serious content beat down.

In the end the best, honest & most persistent site will win.

This article is not intended as legal advice. Always consult with an attorney.

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4 comments so far

Mark
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Yeah, we hear ya! A competitor is doing something similar to our site. These guys are usually fat, lazy, flat top wearin’ slobs or pencil neck geeks who can’t think their way out of a web paper bag, so they steal another sites sale copy, pricing, packaging and site business model.
I like the “lower than whale s**t” comment. It’s so true!
I was not sure if this was general commentary or a personal account. I searched Google and I think I know which site is copying yours. It’s pretty obvious.

February 6th, 2009 at 12:12 am
Steve
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Mark:
Well, it is commentary AND a personal account. The site you mentioned in your email is indeed the copy cat. It’s good to see a third party validate my claim. Ours is an ongoing process involving our attorney. The bolder the copycat gets, the worse his case becomes. There is never a defense for this type of plagiarism. It was funny to see how this chimpanzee of a competitor first copies our “easy” concept, then our 10 easy steps (offering less than 10) it reminded me of the Something about Mary scene with the psycho hitchhiker wanting to start a business competing with 8 minute Abs…he was going to call it, get this…7 minute Abs. That’s the mentality of this dick head copycat competitor. He’s no different from a pocket picking thief.
He copied our instant access, and downloadable plans concept, the our 3D claim, then he figures out how we do our membership site, so copies that exactly, adds the identical flash slideshow to his home page, adds a protected forum, adds a protected gallery, adds a blog, uses exactly the same anchor text highlighting to appear like our site, hijacks our sales copy, Jesus Christ! this guy has no originality at all. But that’s not all…not only did he copy the same scripts we use, he’s so uselessly lame that he placed them in an identical directory structure. I don’t mind someone eating next to me, but keep off my damned plate you fat greedy f*ck. I take this as a malicious attempt to duplicate my site.
Them to top it all off, this spineless worm then hides all by blocking ai_archiver.
He’s going to find out eventually that he’s screwin’ with the wrong guy.
But by then it’ll be too late.

February 9th, 2009 at 12:20 am
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Thank you so much for taking the time to write this very informative article. I was feeling so very alone, frustrated and searched for \"dealing with websites that copy\" yours is the first I\’ve read and I don\’t need to go any further. I feel for you that you needed to write the article.

Unfortunately who is doing it to me is a so called close personal friend within 1/2 mile of me who I\’ve helped in numerous ways with online business development. The question was for a while, what to do. I took the bait the fish approach feeling somewhat secure that they will not catch up as the antiquated pricing model, stubbornness and greed hasn\’t allowed them to offer their products within the market average. A good friend posed the question “what happens when they do?” I will have a true competitor. This is my main income as well as for employees. Theirs is a hobby with a spouse that brings in the families base income and provides a good living. They have taken everything else. For years I\’ve switched it up, changing web platforms, manufacturer\’s and items offered, all only to find they copy what I change to. I now find myself not mentioning manufacturer\’s names because they will target the new line I carry.

Your Wild West analogy is awesome and oh so true. This is where I\’ve been the past couple of weeks and I\’m exhausted. I\’ve hired more people to get ahead and they are now copying their work and they are complaining of plagiarism.

I\’ve hinted at the \"nice\" approach only to hear their reply \"copying is the greatest compliment\". Is it? Or is it \"poor me, I don\’t have time to do my homework with all the things I have to do\" for the self brought on drama infected life. I\’m told I\’m single, don\’t have other obligations, and have more time which equates to; I owe it to them because they\’re my friend and their time is prioritized elsewhere. hmmm Excuse me, don\’t target my business and financial livelihood due to your poor choices on the home front. As I\’ve said, \"make a decision, you don\’t have time for both.\" Well, obviously the decision was they can have both if they use my hard work.

I know where the cease and desist will lead. Not where the one I received did. It was an honest mistake on my part, directed by a manufacturer to go to their site for photos. I felt horrible, they learned that the manufacturer was sending their competition to their site, and we became friends with respect for each others businesses. They started to carry some of the same product line I do but that\’s business. They made it their own, in their words, business model etc and I have admiration and respect for them in doing so.

I\’m not sure where all my ramblings are leading… just putting my thoughts down has helped and I thank you for providing a form to do so. I\’ve always been a firm believer in setting the bait and reeling the fish in, my kids hated it. One thing on my side, I have patience, knowledge and the drive to be successful on my own whereas the other party is trigger happy in the snap of a finger. I\’m sitting back waiting to see what is going to make them snap and click the delete button on their site all on their own. I\’m as sure I know the sun will rise tomorrow; they just don\’t have what it takes in the long run.

I think of the Rolling Stones lyrics \"time is on my side, yes it is…. ; )

February 20th, 2009 at 8:43 am
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Gail:

When someone is stealing your ideas it feels no different than having your car stolen. When they steal your ideas and sales text by scraping it and then twisting it around, it feels like you been burglarized in the middle of the night.
In my case, I’ve spent years to distinguish myself from my competitors by doing something unique. I suspect that the one competitor lost his civil engineer job and now wants to take the fast track over the top of me, using my own site concept and ideas.
He can continue to follow me into the quagmire, because each step builds my case against him. If he thinks we stopped watching or are too intimidated to stop him with a DMCA, he’s dead wrong.

It sounds like your case is very similar to ours. There are always unimaginative losers out there who can only steal ideas, never create their own. You have one good thing on your side, the fact that the plagiarizer lives nearby. I wish I could say the same.

While time may be on your side, don’t wait too long. I would at least warn the competitor.

Anyone wishing to shared business ideas with friends should think twice or put a non-compete in writing before you speak a single word of advice.

February 20th, 2009 at 9:43 am

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